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Post by vbmike on Jun 11, 2014 7:28:15 GMT -5
Hey guys, just thought I'd start a thread for my build. A lot of my friends are interested in this build so I hope at the very least I can entertain the crowd here and drive up a little site traffic. I'm using the frame kit as a solid starting point and milling my cedar planks out of cedar sourced from my local Home Depot. two 12' strips are running me about $12 and a 60 tooth diablo blade (in hind sight, should have spent the extra $10 on the 80 tooth) Question about humidity, though. It's humid here in Virginia Beach. It goes up and down all summer long, sometimes drastically. How is that going to effect my build? I plan on using epoxy on the frame when I am assembling it and haven't decided on titebond 3 or gorilla glue for the assembly of the skin. I have space in a spare bedroom for assembly, but it's not all that well ventilated nor do I want to run up and down the stairs an estimated 2 billion times during the course of assembly... anyone dealt with lots of humidity during their build? suggestions? I've attached my first run of planks, I think they will have a great co,lor once they are wet down.
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Post by juliangibraltar on Jun 11, 2014 11:01:42 GMT -5
Welcome Mike! Glad to have someone else online...it is a bit quiet but there are still a couple of us around. I'm in the final stretch but it seems to be taking a while. I am building my first board so accept everything I say with due understanding, the info comes from reading all the forums' comments and certain experience...not always good!
In terms of glues, I used Gorilla glue on most things but only as I couldnt get Titebond 111. I think they are much of a muchness (except Gorilla is more expensive generally) but I would definitely use Gorilla for the rails as I found I could take them out of soaking (for the bend) and straight away add glue and clamp into place...I'm not sure if Titebond 111 can do this. For the ribs I actually used something similar to Titebond 111 and it worked fine and was cheaper.
I'm working in a large garage but I certainly didn't get any strong smells at all from the Gorilla. I think this will be more of a concern when you are fibre-glassing the board and depending on whether you use polyurethane resin (big smells) or epoxy resin (low smells). In terms of humidity I also think this will be more of an issue when glassing and how quick or slow the resin cures but here I am totally relying on what I've read.
Looking forward to the build pics, your planks look great and what a price! Also thanks for the insight on the toothed blade...I've been meaning to ask someone but never got round to it, I think my planks were a bit rough cos I used a 48 tooth blade...for the next one I'll change.
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Post by vbmike on Jun 13, 2014 18:34:25 GMT -5
I am going with Titebond 3 for this one and see how it goes. I'm going to try to set the rails this weekend and see how the titebond works out. I've got an idea in my head to help reduce the potential cracking on the rails by using some cedar strips which bend easily and then the triangle method on top of them. Luckily, a byproduct of milling my own planks is producing the stock for the triangle pieces, so I have a few extra to play around with
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Post by 1974 on Jun 15, 2014 21:03:30 GMT -5
Good luck. I went through a lot of triangle stock. I found out the more clamps the better. Cedar is cheap so have fun. Harbor freight! Clamps that is!
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Post by 1974 on Jun 15, 2014 21:04:30 GMT -5
Post pics!!! The more the better!!
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Post by 1974 on Jun 15, 2014 21:19:31 GMT -5
Looking good!!!!!!!
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Post by vbmike on Jun 22, 2014 17:13:53 GMT -5
slow and steady wins the race... I have to keep repeating this as I let the gorilla glue cure else I destroy any more of this project... lol take 2 on the tail. With limited space, I'm only able to work on one side at a time, and I've found that using twine to help bend the rails into place is working quite well. Also, due to limited stock of cedar, I am going with a strip build for the rails versus the triangle method. the plan is to laminate the strips to give me enough of a rail to shape. it works in my head, so it should work on the board!
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Post by juliangibraltar on Jun 23, 2014 4:40:45 GMT -5
Very curious to see how it translates from your head onto the board, are you still going to use the triangles??!!! I like the idea of going with the "hardest" part of the build first, the rest should be a walk in the park!
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Post by vbmike on Jun 23, 2014 9:48:47 GMT -5
I'll be bending the last rail strip this evening, after a thorough wet down and see how it looks. I've got one gap to fill with an odd strip, but other than that, it should be good to go. after the first layer of strips, I am going to glue another layer on for added strength and fudge room for shaping.
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Post by 1974 on Jun 27, 2014 6:26:21 GMT -5
Can we see some pics of the rails before you start planing? Looking good so far.
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Post by vbmike on Jun 27, 2014 21:09:32 GMT -5
I'll definitely throw some pics up when I get to that point. I've got a lot going on at work, so I'm not getting a lot of build time in during the week. I'm still bending rail strips for the right side, first layer. once i get the first layer done, i'll show it off on here
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Post by vbmike on Jun 29, 2014 16:43:36 GMT -5
ever have one of those days? I'm going to vent a little... It's a beautiful day here in Va, low humidity, low 80's, nice and sunny with a cool breeze. I had the day off, but had to attend a mandatory meeting at work, no big deal. I decided to ride my bike into work in order to get some exercise and enjoy the weather. On the ride home, I blew out the rear tire, about 2 mile from home. I walked the bike home and discovered a huge nail in the tire. Went to walmart to get a new tire and tube, returned to put it on and discovered that it was the wrong sized tire in the box (which was labeled correctly!) after taking everything off the bike in my driveway. I cleaned up everything and put everything away in the garage and returned to walmart to exchange the tire. Got home and fixed the bike so I could enjoy some riding time this week. I worked on my SUP for five minutes and thoroughly destroyed several glue joints, about the last 3 hours of work I had put into the board over several days...
ever have a day where you fail so hard, you just have to laugh? I just did. I'm calling it quits before I somehow catch the darned thing on fire...
Thanks for letting me vent!
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Post by vbmike on Jul 4, 2014 16:11:23 GMT -5
Switching to the triangle method for the rails... tried and true means exactly that haha. given the limited space in my garage, I can only work on one side of the board at a time, and I have to bale able to move things around, so no stationary jigs. the plan is to glue opposite sides of the nose and tail at the same time in order to prevent the frame from pulling to one side as the rails dry. So, for anyone just getting started, try to make sure the frame remains straight when gluing the rail strips on, lest you end up with a crooked board.
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Post by vbmike on Aug 11, 2014 10:55:24 GMT -5
I am almost done with the rails! I've been having a hell of a time at work which means little time to work on the board. I think the next board is going to have pine rails as the cedar stock I have access to just isn't thick enough. I've had to use smaller triangles along with some square strips to get it to work. on the plus side, I'll have some really cool lines in the rails from the grain patterns! hoping to get the deck started next week... hopefully.
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Post by juliangibraltar on Aug 11, 2014 14:13:50 GMT -5
Mike ....lets see some pics of your rails, they are intriguing!!
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